Oh come on. If you're man enough to voice your opinions be man enough to stand by them. Wimping out by leaving this blog is weak, man.

If you say what you think you gotta expect the ones who disagree to say what they think. If you can't take the heat maybe you oughtta stay out of the kitchen but I think you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself cause people argue with you.

Somebody might not like everything you say but you have put some interesting stuff here and you have a right to your opinion like we all do. Your getting mad at people challenging you to back it up and for not agreeing with you.

Buck up boy.

You have a right to your opinion. You say your reality is your own. Have you seriously considered that the way you see things may not be reality at all?

You believe that when people in Iraq and Afganistan kill each other it is "us" that is actually doing it. I don't get it. If you believe it is an ujnjust war, I'll give you that opinion, but to assert that it is us doing all the killing is just wrong. If they stopped shooting the dieing would stop.

You also keep accusing the Government of stealing Iraq's oil. That is just not happening. They are selling more oil now than before the war, because they don't have the limits placed on the "oil for food" program, and they are getting paid.

You hate Bush, we got it. However that doesn't mean you cannot find fault with senator Obama. To ignore his faults is paramount to lieing.

The way you go about things makes Bush actually look better. If you would be honest about everything, and frame logical and true arguments you could get much more accomplished.

By the way, you said you were done responding to Polatics, and you were now some sort of animal or some other wierd stuff.

You may have heard the notion that preaching to the choir is unproductive, well this is a similar situation but in reverse. I think I may try out Jake's blog if I can find it.

OTB... this may be the most compassionate thing you've ever written. And I mean that as a compliment. If you care so much about people and about your country, then maybe you can find it in you to talk to people in a kinder way. People tend to listen better when they are spoken to kindly.

We could have an entire conversation just based on your experience in the 60's. But we'll do that later. Should you stay or go? I say stay! But bring more of the kind of talk you brought here. :-)

If you really want change in this country, I'd suggest you take a good hard look at Sarah Palin. I was stunned by the choice... until I started learning about her. She may be JUST what Washington needs to clean house. She will go up against someone no matter what the party. I love it! It's a shocker for sure... but maybe a very good one.

I think the conversation about the 60's is relevant. Those of us who lived through the 60's, when our government was drafting kids right out of their college classrooms with the lottery, grew up in a climate of uncertainty. Matter not if you agreed with the war in Vietnam, you were sent to fight and die there when your number came up. There was no choice. When students and "hippies" began to protest in the streets, the government turned their guns on their own - remember Kent State? It's hard to trust a government that does that, and many from that generation still have those scars.

I personally lost many classmantes and friends in that war, and like OTB, I worry about our soldiers fighting in Iraq in what many call an unjust and illegal war, a war that McCain wants to keep going for 50 or 100 years. That does not make me or OTB or anyone else who disagrees with the war and the reasons we are there unpatriotic. Just the opposite - it's our duty as Americans to point these things out.

If we had the draft lottery today, instead of endlessly extending tours of duty or sending our soldiers back to Iraq 2 or 3 or 4 times, there would suddenly be an outcry from many McCain supporters as well.

Susan, I have not seen where OTB has ever been unkind to anyone here. I think you will be hard pressed to show me where he has been the first to personally attack anyone. Should he not defend himself and his views when he is personally attacked?

To me his posts always show thoughtfulness and compassion. He does indeed criticize the current administration and its supporters in general, which many on this blog site seem to take personally. I guess if the shoe fits, some of folks here wear it. But OTB is the one who is continually personally attacked unfairly by a number of people here for passionately expressing his opinions, his outrage at the current situation, and his descent.

I think OTB has a lot of guts to post those views here where so many tow the party line and repeat the same old rhetoric that got us into this mess in the first place.

I'd hate to see OTB stop posting because his views bring balance and insight to this heavily hawkish conversation, but I sure wouldn't blame him if he quit. It would seem pointless to continue posting when you are continually hammered with personal insults for no good reason.

It aggrivates me that Mccain 100 years remark is taken so far from what he meant. He meant we will be in Iraq just like were in Germany, and Japan. He did not say he wanted this war to go on for 100 years. Isn't saying so unethical myfriend?

The point is there is a truth. Just because you or OTB doesn't like someone of a military action doesn't make it right to lie about it or them. Don't like Bush, thats a legitimate position. Don't like the war, that is to. But, some of the things said are just lies!

I believe after his experiance, Mccain will do what can be done to get the troops out as quickly, and safely for us and the world. There are many factors here, none of us have the answers. With the unstability in Iraq if we jus left, first off all the troops that didn't go first would probrably be slaughtered. Then once we were gone all hell would break loose over there. That would be devistating for the world.

BG, why are you accusing me of being unethical and OTB of telling lies? This is the type of thing that instigates flame wars in the blogs - even if you have softened it with the my friend stuff.

McCain has made this same impression on a lot of people. "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" and "we have to win the war" statements from him don't inspire confidence that he wants to bring the troops home. What the heck does "win" mean anyway?

He's a hot head who makes decisions based on gut feelings, and I don't trust his gut feelings - especially after what he's been through as a POW. That experience has got to haunt him, and in my mind it makes him more of a risk if that 3 AM phone call ever happens. I think he went with his gut on his selection of Palin - which was risky and may or may not pan out for him.

I can just as easily accuse you of telling lies about Obama, when in reality I know that you are just reading his statements from a different point of view and not intentionally telling lies. There are tons of deceptive videos, emails, and commentary on both sides; and it's not productive to get personal about it and accuse others of being unethical and purposely telling lies.

Your logic is off when you say that if I don't agree with you I'm unethical and telling lies.

You can't defend the Bomb Iran stuff. He did it, but isn't it true about taking his 100 years remark so far out of context? Look at things that have been posted. There were many that were just not true. Does that wording make you feel better? We won't call it what it is.

Mccain made that impression with people who want to see him that way. Not those who think about the comment and hs experiance.

Find one lie I have told about Obama. I defend him when people do lie about him.

Never said if you do not agree with me you are unethical and lieing. So what are you doing by saying I did so? Lets again not call it what it is. When you take a mans comments and spin them in such a way, is it right? When you visit all these far left nut sites, and believe stuff based solely on your feelings about the current President, and post untrue things, what is that?

I am sorry, if my straight forward way of responding is a little tough to swallow? Just think before you accuise someone of being unethical then spin someone elses comment. Or support someone else with plenty of unethical things in there life.

BG - you are the one spinning comments. You missed my whole point as usual. I've had enough of your malarkey. I'm outta here too.

I am certainly glad to see I'm not the only one that gets teed off on here. Good job, bullochguy.

Wasn't trying to "tee" anyone off. Just clearing up some disinformation. I love it when these Obama supporters are challenged. They never back up there stance.

Neither do you bulloch guy.

Find a political stance, which I can't back up! A real one, not one someone spun.

Bull-guy, you certainly can shovel it out but you sure the heck cant take it. Go get your blankie and pacifier and take a nap. First you complained that it was not "us" that are doing the killing,so stop saying "us". Then in your next blog ,you referred to "us" as being at war????? How old are you? Have you served in the Military? What experience do you have in Politics? I believe you are in your twenties, and live with your Mama. You sound as though no one has ever said NO to you.Do you have a High School education? What were you doing in English class, reading comics? Like Susan said to OTB, what you say is harsh. Try a little tenderness and see how much better you fare. Take this as constructive critisism.

We are fighting the ones fighting, we re not the ones responsable for all hose civilian deaths. We arn't hiding bombs in cars and not caring who they kill. We are not the ones shooting into crowds not caring who dies. Rather it is those who some defend that are the ones doing those things.

I'd bet I have had a rougher time than you, and made good of it. Wouldn't it be some one who make comments like you do, that those things would apply to.

Let me guess, you have a problem with my positions and can't solidly back them up, and thats why you resort to name calling and insults. anyone who can solidly backup here positions usually does, and rarely results to mane calling, while I'll admit everyone does sometimes, I wasn't having a discussion with you was i?

Wait-wait-wait-Let me beat him to the punch-
More liberal prop! ;)

Here I am again, when I said I would not comment on Obama and McCain. I think some of you on here are at the wrong forum. I think you should be at RNC with a sign in your hand. I'm otta here.

Oh, c'mon, CB-tell me you don't see the humor in that.

I am afraid I agree with lot that bullochguy says.

JB, whats with attacking anyone who doesn't see the left wing ways as the way it is?

Instead of attacking people, try and show us where we are wrong.