And Mr. Oboma is qualified because?

Because he is an intelligent man with vision, do you honestly think that a man with no qualifications could get as far as he has. The Bible says that without vision the people perish and I believe that.

You are easy to please. I am intelligent and have vision. Why not vote for me?

your VP ? ME !! I would be 88 after 2 terms and need an objective!!

AH! That explains why Obama selected Biden (another known hot head) as his running mate. If things get to rough and McCain decides to DECK Obama he'll have back up. Another old saying from my parents "If something sounds too good to be true it usually is not." That can apply to both canidates. We still know more about McCain than Obama. He has a hot head, his wife is rich, he is a leader, he was a pow, he has way more time in govt. About all we know about Obama is that he puts on a good show and he has lots of unscruplous friends with deep pockets.

I certainly do think someone could get as far as Obama has without qualifications. Affirmitive action and bankruptcy.CLUB ZONE CLUB ZONE CLUB ZONE CLUB ZONE

Here is one site which lists some of Mr. Obama’s accomplishments. There are more if you want me to supply them I will be happy to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...

What has Barack Obama ever accomplished?

"Some Say" that those who support Obama do so without a clue, and do so because of a "Svengali" effect he has on his "cult".

I say that it is unfortunate, in this age of the Internet, that folks aren’t able to inform themselves, yet are able to post on a Political blog to have a say.

I have done my research on Sen. Obama, and so have many of the others who support him. Maybe that is why he is attracting the most educated progressives in this nation; maybe it is because they do their homework, and do not rely on name recognition to determine whom to vote for.

So to inform you, please note the following articles that sum up some of what Barack has “done in his last 11 years in public office. Considering that Obama may be the Democratic Nominee, I believe that it is important for you, as a public voice, to be informed:

His bold legislative work on the Illinois Death Penalty, and how he made a difference between life and death:
http://www.icadp.org/page236.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/o...... /

His sponsorship of a bill that brought health insurance to 150,000, including 70,000 uninsured Children, again, during his time serving in the Illinois Statehouse:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factche......
http://mediamatters.org/items/2007121700...

His work on both the Immigration bill during his time in the US senate and his sponsorship of Ethics legislation (something he did both while in the State House, and in the Senate) that called for some of the most impactful reform regarding lobbyists since Watergate (as he likes to term it):
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factche......
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/rel......

Does Barrack Obama have the gonads to push the big red button should it ever come to that?

Does McCain?

This blogger looks for a leader who has the gonads, but has the wisdom to seek guidance from a higher power before doing so.

Should someone ever nuke the US, the men, women, and children are depending upon a leader and military who will work to save as many of us as possible...should we ever be nuked first.

I hope and pray that it will never happen...but with some lunatics in this world capapble of obtaining or building such a weapon, one must "walk softly, but carry a big stick".

And more on Mr. Obama's accomplishments from this site.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/ob...

It has really been bothering me - the charges that Obama is all talk and no action. Those of us who support him and have reviewed his record know there is no basis to this charge, but just to make sure, I went to the Congressional Record (www.thomas.gov) and did a search for bills sponsored or co-sponsored by Senator Obama in his three short years in the US Senate. I searched the 109th and 110th Congresses which cover the years 2005-2007.

In a nut shell I found:

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate.

His record is in fact quite impressive for a junior Senator from Illinois.

Most of his legislative effort has been in the areas of:

* Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills)
* Health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills)
* Consumer protection/labor (14 bills)
* The needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills)
* Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills)
* Foreign Policy (10 bills)
* Voting and Elections (9 bills)
* Education (7 bills)
* Hurricane Katrina Relief (6)
* The Environment (5 bills)
* Homeland Security (4 bills)
* Discrimination (4 bills)

Ok has he ever
*held a job in the public sector?
*Created a job for anyone?
*served in the military?
*had any foreign policy experience?
*not been offended by a comment?

That’s a rather interesting question ya got there gawalkman. Assuming that we would never press that big red button preemptively it would only be needed in the case of retaliation after someone somewhere else had already pushed their big red button.

At that stage of the game it would hardly matter because it would pretty much be the end of life on earth. Revenge would be a very hollow victory. I would be happier if we all agreed that nuclear weapons are in no ones interest and we banned them.

What would a world without large military budgets be like? If the money that nations spend on their militaries were put to good use supplying people with health care and education we would be much better world. Ban the Bomb Now.

Ok tenneseeeagle you have convinced me, I will be voting for you. I hope your ready to move, Washington can be nice in the springtime with all the cherry blossoms.

TennesseeEagle, I'm assuming you voted for Kerry in 2004 based on those requirements?

When you use the fear of nuclear winter to decide how to vote, you are succumbing to irrational thinking. The Appeal to Fear is a logical fallacy. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" especially when fear is disguised as rational argument. Perhaps warrane could back me up with some Latin.

OTB said it well. There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that another leader would push the button. Quite the contrary. World leaders are smart enough to realize that one missle fired at the enemy would result in massive destruction in their own country and possibly the loss of their own life in such an attack. Very few people that rise to the top are that suicidal.

When are we going to begin thinking objectively and analyzing rationally the situations that are going on around us? That we allow our government to fear toe-nail clippers as possible terrorist weapons exhibits just how incredibly scared we are as a people and how really f****ng stupid our country and its citizens have become.

First of all Mr. OTB, you can call skewed what you want to called skewed. The rest of us will refer to skewed as we see it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their view. Just because people don't agree with you, that doesn't make them wrong. And I'm sorry to say that when it comes to balanced reporting, you're not it.

I read a wonderful comment the other day by someone who is obviously balanced. She said she supported Obama in this particluar campaign, but that she could also see the value in Sen. McCain as he has given his life to serve this country, survived as a POW in VietNam, and has spent years dedicated to leadership in our country. Now that is what I call balanced.

And sorry OTB.. but you know what intelligence is... how? Your comment about the big red button ending the world demonstrates your lack of understanding about how our country IS prepared for just such times. It's sad that we have to be, but we do.

Gosh... this blog is just chock full of ammo that I could have a blast with. Personally, I don't think we need a "celebrity" running the country. What I do wish is that we'd focus on getting our Congress in order. 15 bills have passed since 2005? Amazing! I didn't know they had gotten that much done!

God OTB, did Obama really accomplish that in short time? Now maybe he can find a cure for cancer since he seems to be able to walk on water.

Commonsense... you are going to get this blog taken down if you continue to insinuate language of that nature. That would be a shame. Please control your tongue.. or finger...or both. I don't give any credibility to people who have to use that kind of language.

We don't need to worry about whether we have to pack clippers in our suitcase or carry them on. Just not an important issue. We do need to be concerned about many other issues though. Our congress is a mess, they've all forgotten who they serve, people in our own country don't know where their next meal is coming from, our educational system is spiraling downward.. No Child Left Behind??... more like Most Children Left Behind. We do need to plan for future energy sources, and probably all of the above need to be worked on in that arena. (in other words - we don't need to argue about whether to drill or whether to pursue new ideas about energy - do it all and be totally covered)

Oh CB.. I was on a roll.. and you just made me laugh out loud and lose my focus! LOL!

Susan,

Can you help me understand the difference between a 'celebrity' and a politician such as Obama who (like him or not) has inspired people around the country?

Basically, what is the difference between a celebrity and a popular politician?

Another saying from my parents. The bit dog hollers first. Meaning you commonsense. That is where I am speaking from. I know nothing of politics. Since there are so many experts on here I don't need to know much. I agree our govt. has let us down but that is what we live by. Do you want to live in a democracy or would you rather live the way China and the other cummunist countries do? We have to make the most of what we have. Those toenail clippers may be used as a weapon. Just buy you a $2.00 pair when you get where you are going.

SusanS you have a good grasp of the problems facing us and many of them have been brought to us by the good folks in Washington, maybe it’s time for a change.

The republicans bless their hearts have spent our money without restraint, they have killed our youth in insane wars and some people are telling me they think they should remain in power. What do you call that kind of blind insanity?

If you’re happy with the way our nation is headed by all means vote republican. If you think we need a change vote for Obama, believe me he is a far better choice than “the economy is doing swell" mccain.

Really, the two tickets seem to be backward. I wish it could be Biden for president and maybe Romney for VP. Biden I can go for. McCain wasn't my first choice, but I certainly won't be voting for Obama.

CBWill - that is exactly what I'm talking about. What you just said about becoming China is a fear-laden argument and therefore not logical. And if you honestly think a toe-nail clipper could be used to take over a plane, then....well...SusanS said I can't cuss anymore.

The reason boxcutters worked on 9/11 is that the goal of every previous terrorist attack on a plane was to hi-jack it and land somewhere else. Then demand political action like releasing political prisoners etc. The policy of airlines was simply to accede to demands, the terrorists would probably ask to land the plane in South America and likely no one would get hurt. 9/11 changed all that. Let me tell you, no stinking terrorist with a toe-nail clipper is going to get by me and the other 100 passenger who would take him out in a second.

I want to live in a republic like the founders intended but we're facing creeping fascism. Besides the TSA, look at eminent domain, CPS, no-knock warrants, forfeiture laws - the list goes on. Maybe we're closer to communist China than you think, CB.

And please don't give me "if you don't like it you can leave" line. T. Jefferson said we should not trust government because it leads to tyranny. So, if I don't like it, I work to change it. and clippers are at the top of the list because if people can see the complete lack of logic in taking toenail clippers for fear of a terrorist attack, they may begin to see the lack of logical decision making in other areas of government.

SusanS, you're worried about education? Wouldn't all those salaries of the TSA nit-wits be better served to buy textbooks? You're worried about Congress? But nobody demands they shut down the underwire-bra-confiscating-breast-milk-dumping-three-ounce-shampoo-requiring TSA for wasting millions of dollars and delaying Americans from freely traveling. I certainly hope you don't think the TSA screeners are making your travel any more safe.

I used clippers as a simple and graspable example because if we can't even get our government to stop doing the most incredibly and obviously stupid actions, how can we expect them to get anything right? This is serious. If we can't get a government official to stand up and say "Hey, taking toenail clippers is the dumbest thing ever" why would we want to put the responsibility for education, energy, infrastructure and foreign policy in their hands too?

Know what else, Suze. Sometimes shocking language can be used to wake people up and get them to pay attention. If you noticed, I used one single word. Not exactly a profanity-laced post.

Got you to respond though, didn't it? Musta worked.

I certainly hope all you people on here are happy.I have wasted so much time on here that now I have to rake an acre of grass that got too long. I would not bother but I won't be able to find all that money I got buried out there. Money that was generated from all the prosperity we had when the deomcrats were in office . If you all believe that, then I have a sub in my back yard I'd love to sell to some of you gullable people on here.

No kiddin CBWill you really have a sub for sale? I could use one of those, how much are you thinking you want for it?

You come rake the grass and shovel the horse poop out of my barn and I'll let you have it for free. Better bring a big trailer. HA! HA! No hard feeling OTB.

Good one CBWill, I’ll think about it, sounds like a good deal. One question though does it still run ok?

It was running when I parked it. I did run out of water and had to hitch "Lela" to it. I don't know why I bought it, because I'm clostophobic (I know that is spell wrong). You know OTB, I like you. You are a really neat guy, and so much more fun when you lighten up. This is a harsh world we live in. If we did not have humor we would all go insane. Great blog, by the way.

Thanks CBWill, I’ll have to talk to my smarter half when she gets home and get back to ya about the sub.

Obama isn't a " celebrity?" Susan, please share with the bloggers the web site you sent a friend recently - the one where other celebrities appeared to worship Obama, the site that showed a picture of some dude holding a sign that said "Obama is God."

Has any other presidential candidate ever garnered such blind adoration? He's a slick, smooth talking con man, the kind weak-minded women fall for.

I'd like to see answers to Tennesseeeagle's questions, OTB. Just what has Obama done that can be considered true work?? And aside from your opinion that he is " intelligent and has vision," tell us other, more solid and real reasons you feel he is qualified to lead our country.

I learned from supporting "W" that liking a person for his personality, apparent morals and character, etc. is NOT a good reason to choose a man for president. I learned a valuable lesson.

Jimmy Carter is a good man and was a horrible president. I don't think Obama has what it will take to run this country. He will be too busy trying to look good and perpetuate the dream of " change" that he won't take time to focus on real issues at hand.
The man simply does not know what the word " work" means. If you can find proof of his ever having done any physical, real work, I will stand corrected.

ce·leb·ri·ty: noun, plural -ties for 1

1. a famous or well-known person.
2. fame; renown.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/c...

Sen. McCain is also famous and well-known. Is he a celebrity as well?

And because Sen. Obama has fantacial support of people, that's a bad thing? Don't all politicans want to garner the support of those they're tying to convice to elect them?

I'll ask again. Is there a difference between a popular politician and a celebrity?

OldTom... how many people died during WWII? How many young Americans lost their lives serving in WWII? If you check you might see that we had a democratic president at that time. The republicans do not own rights to war. That is something all Americans have had to inherit at times. No one ever wants to lose even one life... but wars are inevitable. Whether or not this one "should" have happened is no longer relevent. Now we need to do the best we can to end it the right way. That is easier said than done.

NoWhere.... if you don't understand the difference between a celebrity and a politican then you have proved my point. Our society has been so "Hollywoodized" that we don't know the difference anymore. Inspiring others is a wonderful thing - I have no problem with that. But you have to be able to back up your words. I'd like to see OBama gain more experience before taking the highest office in the land.

OO... watchdog.. do you know me? LOL!! I did send that email to a friend...also to my husband. :-)
CB... you are just cracking me up! Keep going... we could use a good dose of humor here.

Commonsense...2 things..... first of all I never fooled myself into feeling safe in the first place. I recognize that anyone, anywhere, anytime can pull off something if they really want to. We may be safer than most countries, but we can't allow ourselves to feel untouchable.
Second.... no... you didn't do anything with that one word but cause me to lose respect for you. It's just not necessary. If you can't get people's attention just by talking to them, then you don't need their attention.

Susan, you seem to be taking the position that being a celebrity and a politician are mutually exclusive labels and that a person can't be both. Arnold Schwarzenegger was (and is) a celebrity and a politician. Ronald Regan was a famous actor before turning to politics, so the idea that a person can't be both isn't justified.

That is what I'm talking about Susan. There has been wars, economic hardships and every thing in between that this country has to deal with under both parties. That is all I am trying to say. Stop Bush bashing. If Obama is elected I can almost guarantee we will be sitting at these desks going on about him four years from now. Maybe not me since I am the oldest one on here except Warrane.

Nowhereman, yes, a politician is by definition a celebrity and yes, we have had movie star celebrities as leaders.

Still, my point about the adoration of fans regarding Obama proves that much of his support is due to his charm and charisma, not anything substantial.

Susan, yes I know you. Don't rat me out, but can you share that link?

Hey! Commonsense,use humor. It works for me.

I just read that Obama once ate a partial birth abortion.

Man you are sick. I hope bigfoot finds you and eats you alive

Me too. Me too.

A popular politician is worse than a celebrity. He has the power to make more loop holes for celebrities to become even more wealthy. He will not look out for the common man, just the ones that helped put him in office.

Well said CBWill. The difference between a celebrity star and a celebrity politician is POWER.

Gwarfan... that really was gross.
CB... I sure hope you're around 4 years from now. I love having you on the blogs. :-)

Actually, if you want to view OBama's voting record in the senate (or McCain's for that matter) go to www.senate.gov and you can pull it up. This is a government website so it is extremely accurate and reliable. Many other websites can be skewed, or only giving you partial truth.
For Sen. Obama's voting record go to:

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

Einstein once said (paraphrased), "Insanity is defined by trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results".

How true it is in politics, among other things.

I'd like to talk to the people Barack knew - dealt with - associated with - the people who now when questioned do not talk. I have always voted democrat, but I do not trust Obama.

www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08

Listen to this guy. He sure thinks Obama is scary. I do too.

I hope I'm around to, Susan. I have one grandson out of high school and I'd like to see the other one out. I ain't even thinking about great grand kids. The one that is old enough is way to irresponsible for kids.

Well, Susan, I hope your consistent.

George Bush has been filmed using foul language a number of times. He once called a reporter an "a-hole."
VP Cheney told a Senator to "Go f*** himself" while actually on the floor of the Senate.
And McCain has used the "F-word" during Senate committee meetings broadcasted live on C-SPAN and has referred to the Vietnamese as "go*ks" long after the war was over.

I guess you'll have to vote for Obama since you've lost respect for these guys, too.

Links so you can see for yourself. The McCain one is kinda scary:
Bush: www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/4183
Cheney: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/2...
McCain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwTKM_u-7...

I see I have a lot to answer for. However why don’t we get back to john mccain for a second, that was the topic originally. Does it matter to you that someone who has known him for some fifty years would not vote for him.

Someone who has been through the same prisoner of war experience, someone who went to college with him does not think he is up to the job. If that means nothing to you it should.

OTB... even Jesus wasn't popular in his own town. No it doesn't surprise me. It is often people around us that we think might support us that don't. I don't make my decision based on someone else's decision. I make my own.

And CBWill, the idea that ANYONE thinks someone could hijack a plane with a pair of toenail clippers is funny in itself.

But here's a couple witticisms anyway.
-Toenail clippers don't kill people, people kill people.
-If you take away the people's toenail clippers, only criminals will have toenail clippers (not to mention well manicured feet)
-You can have my toenail clippers when you pry them from my cold dead hand!

Hope that makes you feel better.

No Tom it does NOT matter to me that someone who has known him 50 years will not vote for him. You don't know, nor do I know, what personal issues may be behind this person's aversion to John McCain.

I make my decisions based upon my own beliefs, interpretations and gut feelings, not on the opinions of others.
Why should his opinion mean something to me? Maybe McCain took his girlfriend away from him or something. Maybe he is jealous of McCain for another reason. Who knows? You don't and I don't.
You can be a sheep and blindly follow something somebody else tells you but I prefer to make my own path and my own decisions.

If you know right where to stick that file in the juggler. Have you not seem Rambo or McGiver?

Now that I have seen the lengths the human mind will go to avoid the obvious I am humbled. What more is there to say? I’m sure I will find something.

CBWill, I will assume that was a joke. I certainly hope it was.

Yes joke. I feel I can speak for CBwill on this one.

Hey CBWill, my wife says the sub idea is great but she wants to know if it’s "nukular."

No, I'm very sorry, my son used all the nuke power digging a fish pond. It made a really really really big hole.

By the way I forgot to say that waranne can be my VP any day.

HHHMMM, OTB, why don't most of your "links" go anywhere? No reasonable person would ever trust Media Matters, so I won't even bother with those. The links you provide are all very partisan sites and most of them I got a page not found error.

Sponsored legislation also included legislation written by someone else that he just stuck his name on. I'll bet you he did not introduce that much legislation. He would be one of 20 or 30 or more cosponsors on a bill.

How about find us Legislation he actually wrote. Follow Susans advice and check actual Congressional records, instead of parroting whatever some far left hate site tells you to.

Dude, you profess to be a Christian, i seriously ask you why you consistantly only listen to very partisan information, and never research what you read?

You will find good things he has done, i do not doubt that he has been on the right side of some issues. What you should be concerned about is what has he actually done. Where did he really take a lead, or a stand. Why did he befriend a domestic terrorist, an American ciizen that declared war on America and was willing to kill civilians to facilitate Political change. He has a history of not voting on tough issues, indicating he isn't strong enough to take a stand.

This was actually a nice try, but your still way off. Lay off the liberal hate sites. Media matters is a cess pool organization!

Quickly before I fall asleep, bullochguy this is a blog about john mccain, if you have nothing to add concerning the fact that people who really know him will not vote for him take it somewhere else please, thank you.

Arn't you the one who posted all this stuff about he great Obama's record? Can't take a little criticism that contains real facts huh?

Ok, you found a few published reports of people who do not want to vote for Mccain. Ohhh, thats suprising! Ok you got a former POW that doesn't wanna vote for him. If I find a black guy who isn't gonna vote for Obama is it the same? How about a guy born in Hawaii? How about a guy who is friendly with terrorist?

I really don't see what your supposed to prove by pointing out that one guy doesn't want to vote for Mccain.

Stick to issues and credability dude! That is what is important.

From a policy and running the country standpoint, policies and credibility are important. From a voting standpoint, they don't matter much in Georgia because unless Sen. McCain kills UGA VI on the 50 yard-line and then goes on a shooting spree, Sen. McCain is going to carry Georgia.

Many actually consider GA a swing state this year. It is because of the surge in the black vote for Obama that is expected, although it is Politically incorrect to call this a racist vote, it is what it is.

This year during the primaries when I went to vote (my district is the old William James gym) I couldn't get over the line. I soon discovered..and this is the honest truth that what the holdup was that these folks had never voted before and didn't have a clue what they were doing. Some just showed up and didn't even know where they were supposed to be...and others didn't know how to use the machines. And yes, they were of the age that they would have voted many other times before had they been responsible citizens who really gave a dern. Where have they been all the other times? Sitting on their front porch receiving government funding while the rest of us do the work.

Scargo, I'm afraid I'll be one of those people holding up the line. I have never registered to vote. But I have not been sitting on a porch waiting on a check. I was the one working to pay those sitting on that porch. But enough is enough. With the encourgement from SusanS I will be voteing this year if it is not to late to register. I will go early so as not to hold up the line for the more experienced voters. Wish me luck.

The most recent state poll I could find was from Rasmussen and had Sen. McCain with a solid 9 point lead, which is less than the 17-points Pres. Bush won by in 2004, and even less than the 12-point win Pres. Bush won by in 2000, but it's still a pretty large lead. (Granted, that poll was taken in mid-July, but the trend in Ga. over the past decade or more has been Republican, and I'm not expecting a shift the other direction this year, even with the "racist" vote). It'll take a huge misstep by Sen. McCain to turn those numbers around.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_rasmu...

Waranne is about the only shot you'd have at being elected OTB.

Okay OTB.... I'll give you this... you want this to be a blog about John McCain.. then I'm gonna say something that no one can dispute. Last night, John McCain did the classiest thing I've ever seen any candidate do.
He ran a statement (using some of his advertisement space) to say a very genuine congratulations to Sen. Obama in a historic moment. It was heartfelt and sincere. Then, to ice the cake, he made another statement through the media that he would not allow leaks of his choice for VP because he wanted to honor this moment for Sen. Obama.
Wow! That is class all the way.

I am also going to say something no one can dispute - McCain is a hot head.

I put this in an earlier post, but check out this video. McCain is sitting in a Senate committee meeting, he starts cursing at the interviewee then, in frustration and disgust, he gets up and leaves the meeting. While dropping f-bombs all over the place. There are many other examples.

SusanS, I find it funny that you would "lose respect" for a blogger you don't even know for one well-placed and calculated curse word, but you summarily ignore the fact McCain has used multiple expletives not for effect, but in child-like anger. On multiple occasions. Yet you obviously still have a glowing respect for the man.

Hypocrites don't deserve respect either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwTKM_u-7...

Maybe McCain interviewee does not have the same rules to go by that we do on here.

Could you explain that a bit more CB? The interviewee look a bit taken aback by his verbal profanity-laden assault.

Did he agree not to use language such as that before the interview? I agreed when I signed on with this blog site, did you not.

Georgia is not going to be a swing state this year. It is red to the core. Bull what is your deal with Media Matters man? I will agree it is a liberal liberal liberal site that is there only to discredit conservatives. But that is what is says it is. It actually makes a report then sites the places it gets the information from. The reason is because just there is misinformation reported by the Right just like there is and has been by the Left.

Hey, I'm a hot head but I'm not a bad person and I've shown the ability to lead others.

Scargo if you ever run for office you have my vote!!

OTB you never responded to my comment about not giving a dang about some dude - ONE MAN, not " people," as you said in a later post - not voting for McCain.

I'm still waiting to hear why this one man's opinion, which could be skewed by jealousy or something else, should matter to me. You said it should matter, so tell me why?

Watch you have a good point there, why should be care about one long-time acquaintance not voting for him.

Watchdog your right there may be a vendetta between these two men or as you say he may have stolen mccains girlfriend. On the other hand he may actually mean what he says about not thinking mccain is up to the job of being president.

The fact that he says he likes and admires the man seems to give his view a ring of truth. Personally I think that his statement should be viewed in the same way a witness in a trials testimony is considered in context.

If I were running for office and someone who has known me for most of my life would not vote for me it may be because they think I am not fit for office. If you want to disregard this evidence that’s your privilege but you could be wrong as well as right.

Perhaps I should see if there are any other veterans out there that do not hold a good opinion of john mccain, would more evidence make any difference to you?

Maybe if you found like five guys that served with him during the war that would talk badly of him or have a negative opinion of him that might work. Sort of like Kerry was hated by that other group swiftboat or what ever.

Media matters has been known in the past to post inaccurate or exageratted stuff. Maybe they have this problem fixed, but why bother with such a site?

They are also funded by the same source and have very close ties to the KOS, and MOVE ON.

If there were more people who know him who gave solid reasons they did not support him I would pay attention, but it would not make the decision for me. I like to look at the whole picture, and in this race I am paying much more attention to things than I have in the past.

CBWill - I understand what your saying. I understand that inappropriate language is not allowed on the site, which is why it was self-censored. But you cannot compare a blog post to a Senate committee hearing, which by its nature should demand a higher degree of decorum and professionalism.

SusanS said she "lost respect" for me because of one, calculated and deliberately placed cuss word, yet she remains silent about using that same standard on a presidential candidate who - as it's been said before on this site - would have his finger on the button.

If you saw that video, McCain loses his cool big-time. The interviewee does not. McCain loses control to the point he storms out, cussing the whole way and then lobs insults at the woman as he walks out the door. He acted like a child. Would Reagan have ever done such a thing? Or Bush the first?

There is a difference between a calculated use of a word to stir emotions and the use of those words because you lose control of your temper. I'd like to point out again this was not a private discussion McCain was having with that woman, but a live C-SPAN broadcasted Senate hearing. CB, you cannot honestly tell me that McCain acted in an appropriate way for that setting, can you?

I don't give a hoot about SusanS' respect for my anonymous blogger persona, but I am interested to see if she applies the same standard across the board. A single cuss word by a blog-head is one thing. A profanity-laced tirade due to a loss of personal self-control by a presidential candidate is entirely different and has far more impact on the country.

Summation: I didn't have to use a lone cuss word for effect, but I did it deliberately and with forethought. John McCain used multiple cuss words when he lost his self-control while performing his official duties as a United States Senator.

I ask the fellow blog-heads: shouldn't we be concerned about the self-control of our chief foreign diplomat?

And for SusanS, do you stand by this statement?

"I don't give any credibility to people who have to use that kind of language." - (see above) - SusanS commented on Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 09:39 AM

In defense of Senator Mccain, sometimes you can't help but cuss at some people! LOL!!!!

I think you have a point there commonsense when we peons use bad language that’s one thing but when I watched that video I was shocked by the ugliness coming out of john mccains mouth. How could anyone have any respect for a leader who uses such glaringly bad taste in public?

The fact that cheney used the same words is simply amazing to me, I thought they were adults but I guess not. These are vile men in my book. Actually I don’t mind some well placed expletives in there place but that place is not the halls of congress by supposedly important men who are in positions of power.

When they behave like children on the playground they show themselves not worthy of the jobs they hold and I mean it gosh darn it and zxxxsdar cxbsdfsfd they can all go csccsref fketydk and I wish they would.

So I’m glad that SusanS has lost respect for john mccain and dick cheney if she ever did respect them. They belong under some rock somewhere with the other slithy toads and may they gimble in the ways.

It’s good to know that SusanS will never vote for someone she has lost respect for, Go Obama.

It astounds me who is vile to you and who is not!

Thanks bullochguy, I appreciate that, especially coming from you.

I wouldn't appreciate that in the way it was meant if I were you, but then again you are a different type of person.

Thanks again!

Keep digging OTB, Im sure you will find worse things coming from Prince Barack and King Bill. I'm sure Rev. Wright used plenty in that special church Obama sat in for 20 years. Oh, that's ok coming from a dem. I have totally lost interest in this whole thing. I don't really give a flip who goes in the white house as long as it is not Big Foot.

Big foot, nice one!!

Hey Bullochguy, sure it's nice to cuss at someone when they deserve it, but in a Senate committee meeting? C'mon.

Everybody gets up in arms when Statesboro's mayor acts like a bully but McCain supporters turn a blind eye to his childish temper tantrums. My kingdom for some consistency.

SusanS, where are yooooooooou?

dont forget no Zombies either.

I didn't say it was right, I just understand how he feels. Yeah he's got a short temper, but everyone's gonna lose it sometime. Does a US Senator need to show a little more restraint. Probrably. We don't know what else went on and I'd bet we are missing some information as to why he got so angry.

I'd rather have a president with some balls and a temper than a president who screwed around in the Oval office and then lied to me about it.

A temper doesn't mean he's a bad leader. Look at what he has gone through in his life. At least you see what he is and he don't hide behind a mask like Obama.

This is the last comment I will make about Obama and McCain. I do not like the emotions that this whole forum brings out in me. I will continue to read blogs and comment on ones that are dearest to my heart. As I have stated many times, I know nothing about politics, but I have found that a lot of you don't either. I thought the presidential election was about choosing a leader for the greatest in the world. But I have since learned it is about who has the most money, who can dig up the most dirt, who has the most influential people backing you, and how much you can offer them in return for helping you get elected. I don't beleive in killing but I think it is a necessary evil. I hope we can make the right choice in November. But I whole heartely beleive a lot of you will be dissappointed. That knight in shining armore will turn out to be no more than a JFK wanta be. He is not out for change as we see change, but to further his own agenda. May God help us all.

Yeah I guess being locked up and beat for so long would give you an attitude.

I think I heard my name called..... or maybe it was just an annoying fly buzzing around. Either way... I'll make a general comment for the crowd. I do not like foul language - no matter who is comes from. I especially do not like it when it is used in my presence, or the presence of my children. However, I also do give all people room to be angry, room to make mistakes, and moments when they may not act the way they would always like to act. No one is perfect. We are asked (on this blog site) to follow certain guidelines and I consider that one of them.

SusanS, such a Christian-like condescending tone with an inconsistent value system so typical on this blog site and in America in general.

I guess if I would have said it was just a word used when I lost my temper and self-control, you would deign to forgive me. You respect someone who cannot control themselves but lose respect for another who deliberately acts. Unfortunately, not so unusual a stance.

This is not an isolated incident for John McCain. There are many incidences where he has lost his temper WHILE SERVING IN HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS SENATOR. Not an argument at a bar, being hounded by an annoying camera man or in the privacy of his own home. He was on official business. If you want to dismiss this as some isolated incident and you don't have the temerity to research his appalling behavioral patterns yourself, keep your head in the sand. At least the flies won't bother you.

I think her problem is with the premeditated remark. It is like the difference between premeditated muder, and a crime of passion. The premed murder gaet a harsher penalty.

Mccain does get hot headed, is it bad all the time? I see good as well as bad points about his passion.

BG - she didn't know at the time of her critique that it was a premeditated remark, until I told her, so it's irrelevant. It doesn't change her original remark:

"I don't give any credibility to people who have to use that kind of language." - (see above) - SusanS commented on Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 09:39 AM

That neither you nor her will recognize that a profanity-laden blowup in a official Senate committee meeting is a sign that McCain might not have prerequisite self-control to be president is reckless. I would understand if this was an isolated incident, but there are numerous examples, many caught on camera.

We're not talking blog. We're not talking private party. We're not talking bar room brew-ha-ha. We're talking official Senate meeting.

I find it ironic I get my booty busted for "violating the rules of Herald blogging" but the language police don't even consider that there is standard decorum at Senate committee hearings. I'm fairly sure, even if unwritten, that dropping the f-bomb on people giving testimony to the Senate is frowned upon.

To coattail on your murder comparison, which is a bit disturbing, both actions deserve a penalty. To forgive McCain and dismiss his aggressive temper as passion or intensity is irresponsible. He should be forgiven, but he shouldn't be president. There must be consequences for a proven history of unchecked anger and it shouldn't be giving him keys to the country.

I don't believe I dismissd it. I believe I said he was hotheaded and he should have shown more restraint. Ohh I know you probrably read my comments differently, but I have grown to expect that from you. I do view it as passion, just as your misleading people about some of my comments were because of passion about your candidate. Never saw you face up to that, yet you are so quick to cast stones.

Does he deserve to be president? Well he wasn't my first choice, but he's the best of the one's left. I will view the candidates from all angles and judge them. I won't support someone because they can deliver a speech written by someone else very well, or refuse to because they lost there temper too many times.

You have to determine who you support based on there opponants sometimes. As I stated before, if Ron Paul had won, I'd have a hard decision to make, and probrably throw my support behind Barr, as I don't see any scenerio for me supporting Obama.

By the way. Anything posted on here is premeditated to an extent. You have a chance to change it until you hit that button twice, so susan may have figured that out before being told.

I don't understand why my comparision is disturbing, it is mearly the best example of a spur of the moment thing you can't change and something that was planned.

First, Obama is not my candidate neither is McCain. My take is the whole lot is sour including the independents.

Second, you'd vote for Barr and we're a Paul supporter? Never saw that in a post before. Not doubting you, just never saw it.

I've seen a lot of Senators and Congresspersons with passion that never cussed at a person they were interviewing in front of a congressional committee nor did they storm out of the meeting like a 10-year old. That Obama or any of the other candidates has never been filmed doing this doesn't mean they haven't done it, but it certainly points to them having the presence of mind not to do it front of the camera. You would think a presidential candidate would be able to distinguish between public forum and private meeting and would act accordingly as a result.

But I understand the position of a McCain supporter. They come to naturally defend their choice already made when presented with evidence that runs contrary to logically selecting that choice (like publicly exhibiting child-like temper tantrums hardly befitting a Senator much less a president)

I wonder how Statesboro residents would react if Mayor Hatcher began cursing at a presenter before City Council, frequently dropping the f-bomb, then storming out of City Hall while leaving profanities in his wake. Or Dr. Grube in front of the student body. We would likely think them unfit for their positions and, in the case of the mayor, citizens would probably vote to recall him. Why is a candidate for president of the United States held to a lower standard especially for someone who gives no credibility to foul-mouthed people?

All I ask is consistency.

NO! I was saying if Paul had won the Republican nomination I'd probrably have to vote for Barr, as i couldn't vote for him or Obama.

I don't really see anyone actually defending Mccains flairups. I did state I know what it is like to lose your temper. Don't we all? I also stated it shows passion, and no having passion doesn't mean you have to react that way, but it is nice to see some real passion in a polatician. With the B.S in Polatics these days, I am suprised we haven't seen punchs thrown on the chamber floors to be honest with you.

I have stated that he's a hothead, and do believe he should show restraint.

His temper is his biggest problem. Compaired to the problems Obama has, I can deal with someone who's hotheaded, and guess what, if someone from MSNBC wanted to talk to the man, he'd go face the music, and answer there questions. Not run from a few inconvienient questions or pundits.

Phil... if you have an issue with me, why don't you take it up with me? So, you "got your booty busted" for not behaving appropriately? I wasn't aware of that. Can I ask you why you are so angry? You strike me as a guy who supports a persons personal rights. I believe it is my right to dislike someone using negative language directly toward me. I also try hard to stay within the boundaries that are laid out for us on this website. I guess we all expect you to take that even more seriously as you are an employee of the Herald.

As for the senate... if you can imagine the minor irritations we deal with here on the blogs, senators deal with a much higher level of it. All of them have lost their tempers over the years... all of them. Do I like the bad language?... no.. I don't. But I'm not going to use "that" as a basis to whether someone is electable. If that is all you have left, then you are seriously grasping at straws.
And quite honestly, I am now very excited about this election. Sarah Palin's selection just raised the bar. She is awesome. I wasn't excited at all at first, but I decided to check her out before closing the book, and I'm glad I did. She is JUST what Washington needs. She'll kick butt and take names... and it won't matter what their party affiliation is. I like that!

You know what Commonsense....I'm human just like everyone else, and I get frustrated also as I try to have a "discussion" with people like yourself. It is almost humorous that you would point out my one moment of sarcasm, (it wasn't condescending - it was sarcastic) but it seems to be okay for you to do that constantly.

Just because I'm christian doesn't mean I don't get annoyed. Yes, I would generally like it if we all discussed our thoughts in a more kind and respectful manner, but after a while, being hammered and beat up by several of you, I'll fling one back. Yes, believe it or not... I'm human.

One more thing.... as I think about it, it's amazing how my initial comment was taken to such lengths! My oringinal comment to Commonsense was that they would get this blog taken down because they were insinuating foul language. The policy clearly states "anything profane" is not acceptable.

The senate does not hold such a policy. My comment about credibility was do to the fact that people were not following the policies in place on this site. So drop it.

You know Susan, I like your spirit and determination. You should think of running for some form of public office.

I suppose you could say this topic was taken to great lengths, but the discussion of McCain's temper and the dismissal of that temper by his supporters is of genuine concern.

Before I get into that let me say that if I were around your children or had been invited into your home to have a spirited political discussion and some crab cakes, I would refrain from using foul language, even for effect. It's simply a matter of manners and respect for your home. It's behavior unfitting for a guest and, frankly I know better.

I guess that's ultimately my point. I am concerned that numerous times McCain has lost his cool - no, gone completely ballistic - while sitting in his Senate chair (which does have rules about behavior unbecoming a Senator) and it's even a greater concern if he sits in the Oval Office. This attribute is a direct reflection in him as a person.

Frankly too many people are involved in policy making decisions to look to one guy and think he has all the answers. But only one guy sits at the head of the table and directs things. For me, it's worrisome if McCain sits there due to his lack of self control. If he can allow himself to act that way on camera, what does he do in private?

I don't care about McCain's houses just like I don't care about Obama's minister Rev. Wright. These are superficial issues at best and have nothing to do with the man who will sit in the chair. That's why I've avoided discussions on those topics. But McCain's lack of control over his anger in a public setting is a real concern. It's a direct reflection on the candidate - not his wife, not his staff, not his party - but directly on McCain.

My very original post I discussed the possibility of nuclear war and having the finger on the button. While I don't think any leader would push it, bloggers were supporting McCain as the guy with the experience to know when to push the button. My counter argument is: Do we really want a proven hot-head with his hand on the button?

In my opinion then, it's irresponsible to dismiss something that's so revealing about a person, especially when it has happened numerous times and throughout his career. If this had been an isolated incident, I'd be inclined to chalk it up to a bad day (though I'd still be a bit leery). Many times over many years, however, and it's a personality trait. Quick to anger is not a trait I want in a president.

SusanS, you like McCain (or dislike Obama), and I get it. But please, let's be honest, that statement wasn't sarcastic but a principle you hold - namely, hearing someone swear causes you to view the swearer with less credibility. I can really respect that. My mama don't like no cussin' neither.

So geewillikers, let's end this gol' durn discussion already.

CS... I actually agree with something you said!! This comment...
"Frankly too many people are involved in policy making decisions to look to one guy and think he has all the answers."
Yes! You are exactly right on that. (Wow.. it's gonna snow! LOL) There are SO many people involved in the decision making process and that's why it's not of great concern.
Did you know that Franklin D. Roosevelt, one of most highly revered presidents, and one who did a lot for our country, had one of the WORST tempers of any sitting president?
Thank you for stating that you would be considerate in my home. I appreciate that. I'd really like it if we could be that way when we blog as well. You may see it as self-censoring, but when we read it, we still read the word in that place as we try to put your comment together in our minds.

PS: CS... I have been very neutral in this campaign actually. I do not necessarily support Obama "at this time" because I really believe he needs more experience before holding the highest office. We need to know more about him in this arena. I believe he will be president at some point, I just personally don't think the time is now.
I am now leaning toward McCain more, especially in the aftermath of his selection of Sarah Palin. I really think she has the ability to clean up Washington as VP.
I'd love to end this discussion. I think it just bothered you because I said you had lost credibility with me. Maybe I overreacted in making that statement. I can own up to that and say I'm sorry. I'll participate in any debate with you and give you credibility... as long as you don't use foul language? Deal? :-)

I think someone dismissing the hateful "spiritual advisor" Obama had is worse than someone dismissing the fact that Mccain has let a few F-bombs slip. Having such a hateful man as you "spiritual advisor" does affect "the man who will sit in the chair".

We also have to remember Senator Biden once bragged on HBO that he's told another Senator "were we not Senator's I'd rip you G#$D$%^ adams apple out"! That is a direct threat!

Sounds like a plan. However, I'm not sure I could say the same thing about being at BG's house. (C'mon just kidding, BG)

F it man. The use of profanity is just normal. It does not mean you lack self control or are reckless. Your an adult and the tend ears of adults can handle having a Fbomb dropped on them once and awhile. People get upset, they curse. It is merely a strong form of speech. I would be suspect of any adult that does not curse around other adults. Sure curseing out school kids is tacty but if you are being and Ahole then someone should call you one. McCain is a psycho, he was locked in a cage for years and beaten, that makes people a little crazy sometimes. Either way the "Red Button" that fires all our nukes is a myth. It takes more than one man to do that no matter what you see on TV or in a movie.

OOOOOOhhhhhh.... now we have a real dog fight. Who's potty mouth is worse, Biden's or McCain's??

I guess it depends upon which candidate you prefer, huh? What's OK with " your" party is a cardinal sin when the other side does it, right?

This comment is aimed at anyone whose foot the shoe fits.

Gwarfan... what happened to you this week? I can tell you that I do not use profanity around anyone. Even if I'm really upset. I can find other, more effective words to make my point.
I don't speak that way to others, and I ask that they not speak that way around me. That is merely having respect for a person. I treat them with respect and I ask them to do the same. That is how it should be.
Now... commonsense and I settled our differences, and it seems as though you are just trying to stir the waters again.
PS: McCain is not a psycho. Nor are any of the candidates "psychos". Get a grip.

Gwarfan is just a little tired from zombie slaying, SusanS. I find that it is much more effective to use eloquence than profanity....it has the ability to make your counterpart feel like an idiot, and make them very confused. Words are tools and, when used wisely, can be very effective.

Susans this is not about you per say so as it may seem like i am coming after you it is not personal between us. I do not really know you so please indulge for a moment.

This week I got a sun burn on my forehead. The problem is as an example i had some woman on a mass transit one time start giving me grief because I cursed in front of her kid. Well I told her I was sorry but she did not want to except that and keep going and going on and on about how I had a foul mouth and blah blah blah. My mother can tell me to not curse but everyone else can ..... The idea you have a right to not hear someone curse because you do not like the words in unAmerican. I would not curse you out unless you deserved it or you over heard a conversation I was having with someone else and did not mind your own bussiness. Stay home if you do not want to hear a dirty word as an adult though because I for one will not be treated as a infant no matter how I act. Sure I clean it up around the kids because they will get in trouble for repeating it.

A nice long lavish tirade with caustic veracity can put someone in there place. But why bother with all those fancy words when you could just drop a F bomb and be done with it. I feel very passionate about profanity. It is what this country was built on, the F word , blood, and beer. God Bless America. Go BYU!

Gwarfan I cuss just as bad as anybody, but it's good manners and classy to avoid doing so in the presence of older people and kids. Even so, everybody slips up and kids hear it at school, so that woman on the mass transit should have gracefully accepted your apology. Shame on her.

My favorite cuss word is the one that means poop because it is so satisfying to say when I'm really mad. But I try not to say it so much.

Who doesnt love dodo?
I like to use the one that is like "swat" or the "dock lucker" myself when i get upset. Makes me relax.

Just don't try to type salt water as one word on here.
(I can see all of you trying it now! LOL)

Cjane, it seems as though you and I have the same favorite bad word. When my husband and I first married he started out one day counting the number of times I said it. He gave up at noon. I have slowed down a lot, but at my age everything slows down.