Guns again, again
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In case you missed it the first time: Texas, dead church goers, 30 round magazines, failure to report to FBI, and the beat goes on...

I thought the time for gun control debate was after more than twenty innocent five and six year old children were killed in Sandy Hook using a military style assault weapon and a high capacity clip. I was wrong. And after Gabby Giffords was almost killed using a pistol with a high capacity magazine. Wrong again! Our elected representatives were too cowardly to brave the NRA. But, now is the time for reasonable gun control debate. And put down your “pry from my cold, dead fingers” and “only criminals will have guns” and “guns don't kill people” placards. We need to debate reasonable gun limitations. And, as a frame of reference, I am a 66 year old white male born and raised in Georgia. I own guns. I hunt. And I damn sure don't need a 30 round magazine nor a “bump” stock for any legitimate purpose.

The debate is not about ending gun violence. Unless every gun on the planet miraculously disappeared, gun violence will never disappear. The debate is not about confiscating weapons. The debate should be about reducing the capacity for mass killings. Limit magazine capacity for all rifles over .22 caliber to five – outlaw the manufacture, sale, or import of any magazines with a larger capacity, effective immediately. Limit magazine capacity for semi-automatic pistols to ten, immediately. Outlaw bump stocks, effective immediately. That's the easy part. Now for the rest...

There are numerous laws enacted by Congress which hamper local, state, and federal authorities in controlling both individual and gun violence. Under the Tiahrt Amendments (enacted in 2003) to the Gun Control Act of 1968 the ATF can't require gun dealers to conduct an inventory to account for lost or stolen guns; records of customer background checks must be destroyed within 24 hours if they are clean enough to allow the sale; and trace data can't be an effort to suspend or revoke a gun dealer's license. Additionally, local police may not access ATF's data base unless they are investigating a firearm related crime, significantly hampering local law enforcement in addressing gang violence. Pharmacists selling Sudafed have to maintain better records than gun dealers and have them available for inspection. Better tracking of gun sales is needed.

The background check questionnaire is a comprehensive document. It addresses criminal convictions, domestic violence restraining orders, and other topics which might prohibit a purchase. But, state databases are insufficient, or outdated, or not compatible with the NICS. Most checks through NICS are immediate and a sale is approved. If not approved, the sale cannot be made but the FBI has only three days deny the sale or it is deemed approved. This part costs money. Money to upgrade records, to ensure database compatibility, to hire more FBI investigators to process declined approvals. I'm not even going to mention mental heath as an issue because up until Sunday night, Stephen Paddock was a “normal” person.

We must move past the dichotomy of all or nothing in the gun control debate. No reasonable person has ever mentioned confiscation of firearms as a solution but the memes on Facebook make it appear as a government conspiracy is afoot. And for all of you 2nd Amendment diehards, I leave you with the words of Thomas Jefferson: “Some men look at Constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them, like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched...but I know also that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind...We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their...ancestors.” (1816)

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Ironside commented on Thursday, Nov 09, 2017 at 07:10 AM

Bryant: Once again you avoid the facts in this latest shooting at the Texas church. The shooter served one year in military prison for beating up his wife and fracturing the scull of his step child. He received a dishonorable discharge from the Air Force. Had the Air Force provided this conviction into the FBI’s database, as it was required to do, this shooter would not have been allowed to purchase a gun. The Air Force is part of the Federal Government and it failed to do it’s job.

The shooter had mental problems, cruelty to animals charge, escaped from a mental institution. The government failed to enforce the laws we already have, and he got a gun. Passing more laws that won’t be followed by the government will not prevent these tragedies from happening.

AS I pointed out in your last post on this issue, any law passed by Congress on gun control is Un-Constitutional including the ones that are already on the books. Congress can only pass a Constitutional Amendment to limit or change the 2nd Amendment.

I fully agree that we need a national debate on gun control. It should be part of the 2018 Congressional elections. If the Democrats, who want more gun control, win Congress, let them introduce their gun control proposal that they ran on in the election, as a Constitutional Amendment to the 2nd Amendment, so it will be legal, and if the President signs the proposed Amendment and two thirds of the States ratify it, then you will have your gun control, and the debate will be over.

Bryant commented on Friday, Nov 10, 2017 at 12:01 PM

Read the intro re: "failure to report to the FBI". The basics remain the same - a military grade, high caliber weapon in civilian possession, multiple high capacity magazines.

Ironside commented on Friday, Nov 10, 2017 at 17:15 PM

Bryant: Have your Democrats purpose a Constitutional Amendment to the 2nd Amendment. It is the only Constitutional way to get your ban on military grade, high caliber, high capacity magazines.

Bryant commented on Monday, Nov 13, 2017 at 16:35 PM

Hmmm? Brady bill ruled unConstitutional! Missed that one. I have no Democrats.

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