Democrats Lied about Obamacare
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Why did the Democrats “Lie” about Obamacare?

Democrat Senator (NY) Kirsten Gillibrand stated to the following to ABC News host Martha Raddatz on Sunday, November 17th, when asked if Democrats were misled by President Obama, when he stated over and over and over again “If you like your insurance plan and you like your doctor, you can keep them Period!”. ……Senator Gillibrand stated to the ABC reporter “ He should have been more specific. No We All Knew”. Senator Gillibrand knew as did her fellow Democrats and the President, that millions of Americans would not be able to keep their insurance plan or their doctor. She along with her fellow Democrats and the President kept telling the “LIE” to the American People over and over and over again. The Democrats were saying this lie during the lead-up to the vote in Congress in 2009, to pass the Affordable Healthcare Bill (Obamacare). It was a lie then and was a lie when the President kept saying it to get re-elected in 2012.

Senator Gillibrand’s revelation to ABC News on Sunday points out that the Democrats knew it was a lie, used the lie to pass the law, get President Obama re-elected, and now want to blame the Insurance Companies for the lie.

This lie is just the beginning of the Obamacare horror movie that will play out on the American People in 2014. In 2014, just 38 days away, if you now get your Health Insurance from where you work, that will end because of the Obamacare Law. This will impact over One Hundred Million working Americans starting in 2014. You too will get your cancellation letter. You will have to shop on the Government Web Site for a higher cost premium, and higher deductible payment, government insurance policy. This Government insurance will limit the doctors and hospitals you can use. It will also require pre-approval for most procedures, and a government employee saying if you can or can not get the procedure. Your doctor will no longer get to determine if you get the procedure. This is now left up to the government under the Obamacare Law. Americans no longer have any say in their own healthcare decisions. These are the “Lies Of Omission” the Democrats did not want the American People to know, when they were trying to get the Law passed. Remember Nancy Pelosi telling the American People “We have to pass the law to find out what is in the law”. The Democrats wrote the law, knew what was in the law, and they kept these “Lies Of Omission” from the American People. The American People did not know what was coming until now, when it is to late to do anything about it. This was done to get the law passed. Passed by “Lies”!

Finally, the President will push the Republicans to extend the Debt Limit thru the end of 2014. That fight will take place next month. The President wants a long term extension of the Debt because it will give him almost a Trillion Dollars of new un-obligated money he can spend. He will use this money to give subsidies to his supporters shopping on the Obamacare Web Site so they pay little or nothing for their healthcare. He wants to insure that more America’s like Obamacare than are hurt by Obamacare leading up to the 2014 election. After the 2014 election the true cost of Obamacare will hit the working class like a ton of bricks. Renewals of the governments’ Obamacare plans will double in cost in 2015, this is built into the law. It must happen to pay the true cost of Obamacare. The President’s promise that the cost to you will come down by $ 2,500 dollars was also a “Lie”.

This is not how American’s behave. Americans do things honestly. This is how power hungry Big Government, Old World, European Socialist thinking, Democrat Politicians behave. They only care about their own political power to control the lives of the American People. They want to make the American People dependent on the government to live their lives. This control gives them endless dictatorial power, that they are not entitled to under our Constitution.

Remember…. Not one Republican has ever voted for Obamacare.

Obamacare is built on “Lies” told to the American People, and it can not be fixed. You don’t “Lie” to the American People and get away with it. The Democrats “Lied” to the American People. This Democrat abomination must be repealed.

There are better ways to provide healthcare to those who need coverage through the Free Market.


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ohbrother commented on Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013 at 08:48 AM

SAT Question:

Obama is to Obamacare as Bush is to:

Bryant commented on Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013 at 09:13 AM

Answer: Iraq invasion

SAT question:

Obama is to Obamacare as Reagan is to:

Extra credit:

Obama is to Obamacare as LBJ is to:

And, Ironside, just to point out a minor point - the debt limit extension will not give the president a trillion dollars in unobligated funds. The debt limit has to be raised to fund existing obligations previously set by Congress (and, no, despite your fervent wishes, all of those obligations were not incurred by Democrats only.)

spellbound commented on Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013 at 14:25 PM

I agree: Obama "lied" about the Affordable Care Act. We agree on that point. There are, however, a few points where we disagree. Bryant pointed out one: the debt limit is only for specific bills that we already owe, not new ones as you suggest. Additionally, the ACA won't create a situation where employer sponsored health care will be supplanted by ACA policies unless (1)these plans are a sham to begin with or (2)companies find it more profitable for themselves to discontinue insurance as a compensation benefit. One other point to be raised concerns who makes health care decisions. Right now these decisions are not totally between the doctor and the patient, but involve your for profit insurance company and what they will pay for. If you have a broken hip, your current insurance company makes the determination of how long they will pay for hospitalization and rehabilitation. Any additional time becomes your expense. The ACA mandates what policies must cover and connects (when the stupidly designed website works)individuals with these same for profit insurance companies. Regards, Spellbound.

Ironside commented on Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013 at 16:21 PM

Reguarding the debt ceiling, your explanation is correct if you are talking about every President but this one. Obama has never had a budget and the government has used Continuing Resolutions to fund the government.Those CR's have not added more money to run the governmentsence 2009, yet President Obama has added 7 Trillion Dollars of additional spending. He got this addition money when he got his Trillion dollars in 2009 for his Stimulious Package. That additional Trillion has remained in the Federal Budget each year sence 2009. The reason he does not have this year's extra Trillion Dollars is because Congress only passed a short term extention. He will spend close to another Trillion dollars to provide sudsidies to his supporters so they pay little or nothing for their healthcare. Today, there are several stories about the testimoney of Henry Choa, before a Congressional Sub-committee yesterday. The stories highlight that the Obamacare Payment System still needs to be built. The Obama Administration can not finalize this Payment System because he needs money to give the subsidies. Your comment on any Insurance company makes the determination of how long they will pay for hospitalization and rehabilitation is what the policyholder wanted covered and what the policyholder was willing to pay. The company will cover almost anything providing the policy holder is willing to pay for it. Another statement used to sell Obamacare was people with a pre-existing condition could not get insurance.That was not true. Anyone could get insurance for a pre-existing condition. The cost would be high because the Insurance Company would have to factor in the average cost per year to cover the treatment for that condition, and add that cost to any of their Health Insuance Policies. Insurance Companies are in the business to provide coverage and continue that coverage. Cancelling policies cause them the lose money. The current cancelltions of policies is government driven because of the Obamacare Law. Insurance Companies are complying with the law, which is more than can be said for the President.

Bryant commented on Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 16:22 PM

Ironside, you need to research your assertions more carefully. The stimulus package, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, was a one time action. There is no continuing allocation of one trillion dollars each year. Since its enactment in February 2009, $811.9B has been paid out.

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default...

Your assertion is false.

Ironside commented on Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 19:52 PM

So, how has President Obama increased the National debt by over 7 Trillion dollar? He has never had any of his proposed budgets passed by Congress. His first budget was rejected by all of the members of his own party! The government has been running on CR's sence 2009? So, how did he increase the National Debt?

Ironside commented on Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 22:01 PM

The Federal Government spent the following:
2008 2.983 Trillion Last Bush Budget that included the cost of the War.

2009 3.518 Trillion Obama's first year that includes the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act $811.9B.

2010 3.456 Trillion that includes savings from draw down in Iraq. Where is the reduction of the war savings and the one time $811.9B from the Stimulus package in the spending level.

2011 3.819 Trillion

2012 3.537 that includes savings in reduced military because of Obama's draw down and final pullout of Iraq.

2013 3.8 is the projected figure that will end the year. It also includes savings from military draw down in Afganastan and savings from the Sequester.

So, you are correct that the stimulus package was By Law a one time action. Yet Obamas budgets have never gone back to the 2008 level that was also inflated to meet the cost of the war. Obama has had over an extra Trillion dollars each of his five years in office. He has used most of this extra money the to dramadically increase the size of the Federal Government hiring hundreds of thousands of new Federal Government employees at salaries and benifit packages that average 84K. Now he needs money to save Obamacare by providing subsities. The short term debt ceiling extention doesn't give him the amount he needs. There will be a huge fight next month for a full extention thru the end of 2014.
Finally, let me quote from the Declaration of Independence which documents what King George III was doing to the Colonies. "He has erected a mulitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance"

Bryant commented on Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Ironside, once again your assertion, "He has used most of this extra money the to dramadically increase the size of the Federal Government hiring hundreds of thousands of new Federal Government employees at salaries and benifit packages that average 84K.', is false. Federal Civilian employment is down by 18.000 from 2009, excluding temporary hires for the 2010 census.

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversi...

And, I hate to point out that the relevance of King George III's actions to our current situation with elected representatives is nil.

Ironside commented on Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 21:32 PM

I believe our military reductions account for the overall reduction figure you site. My reference to the Declaration of Independence points out what happens in government when there are no checks and balances. Makes no difference whether it was George III or our politicions in Washington today. Today The Democrats went nuclear on the Republicans and changed the Filibuster rule that has stood the test of time for the entire history of the Senate till today. Another check and balance in our government trampled by Democrats. Our Republic was wounded today.

Bryant commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Ironside, once again let me correct your erroneous assertions. First, the reduction I cited in Federal employment was civilian employees only - no military was involved. Second, the filibuster rule you cite as, "(standing) the test of time for the entire history of the Senate till today* is not correct. The filibuster rule as it existed until yesterday was in effect for about 95 years - not since the creation of the Senate.

And checks and balances still exist. That's one of the reasons we do not have a budget. Nor immmigration reform.

spellbound commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 14:16 PM

Politics is a nasty business. I could discuss the filibuster "rule" that was changed in the Democratic majority Senate, but I thought I'd mention the Republican House's suspension of regular rules of order. Since the Republicans passed this measure, Boehner and Cantor are the only representatives who can present a bill for a vote on the House floor. If these two choose not to present an immigration bill for a vote, there will be no action on that bill. The Senate's immigration bill? It will never see the light of day. During the shutdown, any passed Senate plan stood no chance for a vote. Just like Reid dismissed the House's Continuing Resolution in the Senate, Boehner road blocked the Senate plan. A pox on both their houses.

Ironside commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 21:55 PM

Please give your source for the reduction in Fed employees. As for the filibuster:
The first Congress had a “previous question motion” rule which could be used to continue debate for as long as a Senator or group of Senators used it. Aaron Burr argued that the rule was redundant and wasted the Senate’s time and that new and better rules needed to be written. The Senate in 1806 wrote new rules that did not provide any way to cut off debate, thus creating the potential for a filibuster. No Senator tried to block a call of a vote by continuing the debate until 1837, when the first filibuster took place. In 1917 the Wilson Socialist Democrats tried to get a Senate rule requiring 51 votes to stop debate and a call for a vote. They compromised with the Republicans and established the Senate rule of 60 votes to stop debate. That rule stood till yesterday. However, the filibuster (continuing debate to stop a vote has been a part of the Senate in one form or another since the first Congress.

Ironside commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 22:12 PM

Harry Reid has sole control in the Senate on what bills will come to the floor for debate and votes. I do not believe in what was done in the House. Remember our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution to protect the "Individual's Rights" from government taking them away. That is why the Constitution has the Bill of Rights. Our Founders believed that the government should move slowly and deliberately. They wanted it to be very hard to pass laws and the greater the majority, both Parties voting for the law, the better the law would be for the American People. Our Founders warned us about Political Parties. They did not believe they would focus on the needs of ALL the people, but rather focus on Party agenda to stay in control of the government.

Bryant commented on Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Ironside, for my source on government employee reduction, see the link in my previous post 11/21.

Ironside commented on Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 09:53 AM

Your site provides the following:
1. 2008 Bush's last year 4,206K
2011 Obama's 3rd year 4,403K
increase 197K
increase includes military for Afgan Surge of 133K, leaving 64K increase of Excutive Branch employees.

2. Your site does not have figures for 2012 or what 2013 will be. Those figures will show the steady growth of government civilian employees.

Bryant commented on Monday, Dec 02, 2013 at 13:45 PM

So, Ironside, since my site is official and ends in 2011 (I would not make up numbers for the sake of a debate), where do you get your numbers for 2012 and 2013?

Bryant commented on Monday, Dec 02, 2013 at 15:17 PM

Forgot one thing - the military did not hire 133,000 for the Afghan surge. The majority of those troops were already on board and trained. For another comparison, try Forbes magazine (not exactly a bastion of liberal politics)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatto...


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