I don't see Jason Collins as some pioneer. Many other athletes or professional people all over the world have stepped to the plate or microphone. I have many mixed feeling about the whole gay agenda or homosexuality. Even bigger problem with the fact that many people point the finger at Christians a scream homophobic, judgmental, tinfoil hat wearing racist. If you are a man playing elbow to elbow as a team and if the old expression your only as strong as your weakest link then, a team who players are 90% straight males. The stigmata alone would hinder a winning formula. I don’t have any kids. But I often wonder how I am going to cope with this issue. There is a gay or ambiguously gay character on ever TV show. Gay pride this and gay pride that and its ok for them to tell my sons or my daughters its ok to be gay. Its kind of like the old song “you have to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything”. I have to stand at my own threshold and put my foot down to the world. And educate my children that is not natural in the lest to be gay. I have a lot of gay friends I know gay people some are loud and boisterous some very conservative. I do and can love each and everyone of them. And I can teach my children to love them and have compassion and except them. I don’t go around trying to take the bottle out of a drunks hand but I should not have to sit back and watch him place the bottle in my child's hands. I guess today Scott I have to stand for something. And I my not be a self proclaimed Christian but I can see the many many wrongful accusations placed on them as a whole because of the actions of a very few. It makes me mad to hear people slam the christain faith all the time. I do not understand religion as I do not understand homosexuality. I guess I learn most from example. One man on his knees praying on man on his knees... I think ill kneel with the man praying.
Well, 22, my own brother is gay, and he's an exceptional human being whom I love, although I am staunchly heterosexual. My point was not to cast Christians as bigots or homophobes but to point out that athletes with either Christianity or homosexuality in their backgrounds should not be defined as such. My second point was to illustrate that Christians in sport freely display their faith--gay athletes should not be consigned to the closet.
If you (or anyone else) chooses to reject homosexuality as a matter of faith, that is your right and I respect that right. However, as a matter of public discourse--the "public" being made up of people of varying faiths and beliefs--it is neanderthalic to relegate the LGBT community to the back of the bus.
Scott, Brothers are great, I wish everbody could have one. My brother is dead. If he were alive and gay that be cool with me. But if my brother as a gay man made a stand at the front of the bus, made new laws to force the public to see the world as he does, that its ok to tell another mans son its ok to be gay. Me and my brother would have to disagree.
I kinda like the dont ask dont tell. If I dont ask you if your gay dont tell me. If I dont ask you if your a baptist dont tell me. Dont impose your religion or your sexuality on anyone. I feel that the gay comunity is cramming this crap down my throught. Force feeding me me there beliefs like puritans. I dont care if your gay I dont care if your mamma's gay. I dont care if your a hindu or if your a baptist. I do care when you are trying to shead light on what you believe is true enlightenment for the spirit and love of man. Dont go to the back of the bus just sit down and shut up.
22, maybe you should re-read the original post. Try hitting that fourth paragraph again. Really laser in on the fourth sentence. Then contrast the point not-so-subtly nested therein with your previous comment.
This is why people on the Intertoobs have disjointed conversations.
Interesting mix of metaphors, Scott, though with my being a member of the most boring and unpopular of minorities - the elderly, straight, non-religious, white, conservative, male variety - I find life much more comfortable when supported by those old proven values rather than the new and alien normalcy of the day.
Consequently my rejection of homosexuality is less a matter of faith, more a matter of hygiene.
I highly recommend the 2007 documentary, "For the Bible Tells Me So"...your mind CAN expend without breaking, however it may cause a bit of discomfort.
Scott, I re-read and re-read again. Still have no idea as to what you are trying to tell me.
Sparklebeam, Unconditional love for gay men and women or unconditional love for all men and women? When someone is trying to tell me what the bible says does cause a bit of discomfort. Especially “highly recommended documentaries”. In matters of gay rights and straight rights there is no right. So by law you can preach what ever you want. So to preach of what the bible says about gay rights or straight rights is just that, preaching. I am saying that you have no right to tell me what is right or wrong when it come to being gay. You liken this issue to that of faith or belief. I say your faith your belief should not be made mine. I feel am a very open minded person. I feel I am a scientific person. My definition of purposeful sex has only one truth, that truth is offspring. What is one constant truth to the act of homosexual sex? Surely its not childbirth. So any law that has to do with sexuality must have a common truth. I find that truth to be childbirth. One man should not be made to think as another just because one is believed to be close minded. Give both men one fact to stand on.
Call gay sex what it is... a choice to experience a particular sexual act with a particular person. If we remove the child creation from the equation, all sex is sex for pleasure. Pleasure is a choice.
If one person wants to stand on the Bible and say homosexual sex is wrong, then he should do so. If another person wants to stand in a purely humanistic realm and say it is not wrong, then let him. The way we resolve these issues in a democratic republic SHOULD be with a vote. Simple - thumbs up or thumbs down.
22 you can say you are open minded but it doesn't make it so, look up what it means to have an open mind. Homosexuality isn't just about sex it's about companionship as well. No you don't have to like it but you should still treat them as people. Get off the bible thing because we all know people pick and choose when they want to throw the bible issues in. Most people don't live 100 percent by the bible.
Jarock, I think if you read the post again you will see why, when and how the bible "thing" was brought to life in this conversation. Second when did I ever say not to treat anyone as a human being? The phrase "open mind" is used to often as an implement to shut the minds of others to ones on princeables.
Jarock, IF your companion abandons you for a beleaf that encompasses a ethic that deems your relationship as wrong, would you be so open minded?