Gun Mythology
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A number of arguments against gun control are based on some rather hoary chestnuts that simply are not true. Assertion is not argument.

Myth 1: Gun don't kill people--people kill people.

According to Pediatric and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, states with the highest gun ownership have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Gun death rates are lower in states that impose restrictions on gun ownership.

Myth 2:

All gun owners are polite.

Gun-owning drivers are 44% more likely use obscene gestures and 77% more likely to engage in aggressive driving.

States having laws making it easier to shoot in self defense have a 7% to 10% greater incidence of homicides.

This one makes me glad I don't live in Texas: Texans ( convicted of serious crimes and who had concealed handgun licenses ) were 4.8 times as likely to be sentenced for threatening someone with a gun. I would hope that the concealed handgun permits were issued before the convictions! But in Texas who can be sure.

Myth 3:

More good guys with guns can stop bad guys. When I refer to good guys, I mean people who are not involved in law enforcement.

Mass shootings of the last thirty years stopped by good guys-- nada

Myth 4:

Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.

Gun ownership has been linked to greater rates of gun related homicide, suicide, and accidental death.

43% of gun owning households with children have at least one unsecured gun.

For every instance of self-defense, there are 7 assaults or murders,11 suicide attempts ,and 4 accidents.

Myth 5:

Carrying a gun for self defense makes you safer.

Ten times as many people were killed in the heat of anger than were killed in an attempt to stop crime.

A Philadelphia study revealed that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. The odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves. A closer look revealed that 50% of the claims involved the escalation of an argument.

Myth 6:

Guns make women safer.

in 2010 six times as many women were shot by husbands,boyfriends or ex-partners as strangers.

Women in states with high gun-ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered with a gun as women living in states with lower gun ownership.

Myth 7:

Blame video games.

Per capita spending on video games in Japan is higher than than in the US ,but Japan had 11 gun homicides in 2008 as compared to the 11,030 gun homicides in the US. The US has 88 civilian guns per 100 people as opposed to .6 guns per 100 in Japan.

Sources: Price,Waterhouse, Coopers ; Small Arms Survey; UN Office on Drugs and Crime

Myth 8:

We just need to enforce the laws we have.

Just about anybody can get a gun.

40% of legal gun sales involve private sellers and don't require background checks.

20% of licensed gun dealers in California agreed to sell handguns to researchers posing as illegal "straw"' buyers.

62% of online gun sellers ( of those studied) were willing to sell to buyers who said they could not pass a background check. Want to buy a gun without a background check? Armslist can stopped taking gun ads after the Newtown shootings.

It gets worse. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,Firearms, and Explosives( because it has been emasculated) does not track how many guns are sold online ,so the previous figures are probably much worse.

Responsible gun owners should spearhead meaningful gun control reform.Doing nothing is never an option because every problem festers if ignored. Ted Nugent/Alex Jones rants do not help.

The solution to gun violence is not more guns.

Read some recent articles in Mother Jones, an award winning journal featuring honest-to-God journalists.

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Charles_and_Angie_Howell commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 00:55 AM

Myth #1 - please. I have never not once seen a gun kill a person without being manipulated by another person hereafter known as the shooter.

Myth #2 – so what.

Myth #3 – Hattiesburg MS, the asst principal used a personal firearm to stop a school shooting. The mall shooting in Oregon an armed bystander was seen by the shooter and the shooter retreated to commit suicide. The armed bystander did not shoot because he was not sure the background was clear of innocent people. Good discipline on his part.

Myth#4 – depends on many factors. The mother in Atlanta that shot a home invader seemed to do OK.

Myth #5 – depends on many factors. Too many instances to name, but I may look some up tomorrow.

Myth#6 – see myth#4

Myth #7 – and cartoon network. This is a stupid myth.

Myth#8 – well, we used to have a problem in this country with drunk drivers. No one seriously discussed banning cars or alcohol. What did happen was that law enforcement and the courts got serious about discouraging drunk drivers and punishing them when caught whether they caused injury or not. New York has serious laws that put a felon in prison for a looong time if they are caught with a firearm. Chicago does not. Chicago has 3X the shootings New York does.

gawalkman commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:18 AM

More people die of natural causes than from people with a gun. Yet, the blind politicians are not trying to ban natural causes. This is documented on the CDC's website (2011 National Vital Statistics Report). The finalized 2012 report will be available on the web this coming fall.

More people die from diseases than from people with a gun. This is documented in the same report. Yet, the insane politicians are not trying to do away with diseases.

Drivers of cars kill more people each year than people with guns. This is documented in the same report. Yet, where is the outcry in Washington for car control?

Also documented in the report, Obesity kills more people than guns. Yet, those same ignorant people in Washington are not moving to do away with forks, spoons, and knives.

If you are going to quote statistics from the CDC, be sure to put your figures in perspective.

There are three things in this country that stand between me and the government. They are needed in order to protect the liberties our founding fathers wanted for me. The ballot box, the United States Supreme Court, and any legal weapons I legally have in my possession.

I wished we lived in a world without some weapons. However, we don't. As long as evil minded people have them, I should have the same ability to defend myself and my loved ones...until the police arrive.

In the early days of Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and Facist Italy the leaders took control of the media before going after weapons. The same is happening here and now.

Why is the novel and Broadway play "Les Miserables" popular these days? Maybe it has to do with the similarities in events and time.

Bryant commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Why do we continue this foolish debate on line? It's like debating abortion - or a woman's right to choose. What you call it pretty much establishes which side you're on. And in my many years, I have never known anyone whose beliefs on this issue were changed through reasoned argument.

Walkie, your examples are a foolish attempt to marginalize the discussion. I have heard not one word from any politician about doing away with guns. And whenever the argument arises about "taking my guns" you may rest assured discussion will deteriorate from that point.

Fly, statistics mean nothing in this thread or the overall argument. For every stat you cite, someone (see Charlie's response to Myth # 3) will counter with an anecdote - never mind it may be the only one nationwide in a year.

I support full background checks for all purchasers of firearms but I do not see how this will ever expand to the person to person sale. I support restricted sales of "assault" weapons. And regardless of the NRA's attempt to rebrand them as "sporting" rifles, that's what they are. Designed for the military originally and with the express purpose of rapid fire with minimal reloading. I support limited magazine capacity.

But, I also support severe penalties for anyone using a stolen or illegally purchased firearm in the commission of a crime - including a mandatory death penalty for homicide (along with whomever sold the weapon illegally). Use special courts, tribunals, or whatever device needed and enforce the laws. Sounds Draconian but it offsets the "only the criminals will have guns".

Those are my views. I won't change them and I shan't debate them because you won't change my mind and I certainly doubt my ability to change anyone else's strongly held views.

Charles_and_Angie_Howell commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Well said, Walkie, well said.

Charles_and_Angie_Howell commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Bryant, I agree with much of what you said. Not all, but a lot of it.

wildturkey commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 13:27 PM

no gun has EVER jumped up, loaded itself, and shot anyone. EVER!!
and thats no myth fly.........

im thinking it would also be safe to say the state with the most cyanide would have more cyanide poisoning deaths than a state where there was no cyanide. makes alot of sence dont it fly? again, thats no myth fly......

ufgtrs commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 09:47 AM

i have heard that spoons make some people fat and hammers kill even more lets ban those too.

and if guns don't make women safer ask the lady up near atlanta what she thought about that the day she used hers protecting her twins

Gun_nut_1776 commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Bryant, I completely agree that no online debate will change your mind but just in case let me say one thing. Assault Rifles are fully automatic/select fire weapons designed for the military and for the most part illegal for the public to own. Assault style rifles are cosmetically similar to Assault Rifles but are semi-auto only. Only able to fire one round per trigger pull. Even if you are for banning high capacity magazines you must admit that cosmetic features are no reason to ban a firearm.

Bryant commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 13:31 PM

Gun nut, Bryant - no, I don't care to ban rifles based on cosmetics. If you care to own a Bushmaster, fine. But I do support limited magazine capacity for any rifle that is not a rimfire and all pistols. I also support limited magazine capacity for shotguns.

And I grew up on the banks of the Oconee River and remember shooting a friend's father's M-1 carbine with a 30 round "banana" clip. Got the ammo from National Buard surplus. Never thought twice about it - but America and people were different in those days.

Charles_and_Angie_Howell commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 14:22 PM

Bryant, Charlie.

You nailed it right there... "America and PEOPLE (emphasis added) were different in those days.

The issue is NOT the gun, it is PEOPLE!!!

Charles_and_Angie_Howell commented on Monday, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:35 PM

All, Charlie.

another strike against Myth #4

Bryant commented on Monday, Feb 04, 2013 at 16:25 PM

Charlie, I'd be hesitant to post an initial report. The next one could say, "The home invaded was a known location for drug dealing..." and so it goes.

Good book from many years ago addressed the myriad gun "control" issues. The name was something like "The Gun That Won The West, Killed Your Neighbor, " or something along that line. I think it's out of print since I coud not find anytthing on it. But it was excellent in pointing out the need to restrict access and how improbable it was that we could do it. And it pointed out how Saturday night specials could be as deadly as high end, high powered firearms. (Kind of blows my rimfire mag capacity stance.) I liked it because for any position the author presented a counter.

This is a very emotional and polarized issue.

Charles_and_Angie_Howell commented on Monday, Feb 04, 2013 at 17:31 PM

I did hesitate, but Fly set the bar pretty low... "Keeping a gun at home makes you safer."

If you are doing something illegal at home, keeping a gun at home will make you safer in case you need to defend yourself.

Even if you are NOT doing something illegal at home, keeping a gun at home will make you safer in case you need to defend yourself.

Yes for all points there are counterpoints. Makes for a long tedious debate.

I am not really this radical, but "they" can have my guns when I am done with them, when they pry them from my cold dead hands. Molon Labe!

Bryant commented on Tuesday, Feb 05, 2013 at 18:20 PM

Charlie, Bryant

I feel much safer having a gun in my home. Whether I am safer or not depends on the circumstances. But, I will always have a gun in my home (until I'm in that nice little assisted living place).

I have limited magazine capacity and can't aim for squat. But the noise will raise the dead and scatter the intruders - although why they would trouble is beyond me.

22 commented on Tuesday, Feb 12, 2013 at 16:38 PM

Bryant, Sounds like you need practice. 22

shapechanger commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 21:38 PM

To anyone that feels they need to use and assault weapon for hunting, might I suggest getting a real hunting rifle and spend some time at the range and learn how to shoot properly. The rounds fired from an assault weapon are designed to tumble through a body and will render the meat inedible. That is a waste of time, money and good meat.

22 commented on Tuesday, Feb 26, 2013 at 17:02 PM

Some would disagree in large to what you are saying SC. Hollow points and ballistic tip bullets should not tumble with any of your assault weapons. Most bullet tumble is not a desirable effect. It has more to do with the bullet not gun. Im pretty sure most assault weapons and bullets were not designed to tumble. This is a myth that came along with the m-16 in Vietnam. But bullets have been designed to tumble, a round that has an air space placed within the bullet such that it begins to tumble after it strikes its intended victim. I believe Russia started this.

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