Madeleine Albright at GSU
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Madeleine Albright’s Talk At Georgia Southern

I went to Madeleine Albright’s talk at Georgia Southern tonight. She commanded a full house at the Hanner Field house. Her description of her childhood growing up in Czechoslovakia where she was born and her father was a diplomat was very interesting. She said her family had to flee to England when Hitler took over Czechoslovakia, and again after World War II, fleeing to the United States when Stalin and his Communists took over Czechoslovakia. This was what shaped her childhood life. Her love for this county and what it did for her and her family, living the American Dream come through loud and clear. I enjoyed her speech.

I wanted to ask her, as a former Secretary of State, the following question. In light of what has just happened in Cairo, Egypt and Libya, has anything changed sense Our Nation’s first military war (1801-1805) with a foreign country and the Barbary Pirates in Tripoli, (Present day Libya ). I wanted to know if she had studied this war, our nation’s first war, and it was with Islam. The history of this conflict with Islam began in 1784 when pirates seized the American Brigantine Betsey and held it’s crew in slavery. In March 1785 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. When he was asked by Jefferson “ Why did you attack our ships and enslave our people”, he replied saying, “ It is written in our Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise”.

The attacks on our ships continued until 1801 when, now, President Thomas Jefferson sent the U.S. Navy and Marines to Tripoli to put and end to attacks. It took till 1805 to finish it. This first war of our New Nation is enshrined in the Marine Corps Hymn. From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country’s battles on the land and on the sea.

In light of the remarks of Ambassador Sidi Haji Abrahaman to our future President Thomas Jefferson in 1785, has anything changed sense than? I wish I could have had a chance to get Secretary Albright to comment on this.


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Bryant commented on Thursday, Sep 20, 2012 at 16:08 PM

Well, Ironside, score one for you in asking a loaded question. You stated "our nation’s first war, and it was with Islam" and wanted to know if anything had changed. I searched for a references, since you included quotes, and the closest I came was Christopher Hitchens' article, "Jefferson vs Muslim pirates" from City-Jounal.org. Reading the entire article and not trying to make a case for Muslim nefariousness reveals a lot of conflicting opinions.

For example, "One of the historians of the Barbary conflict, Frank Lambert, argues that the imperative of free trade drove America much more than did any quarrel with Islam or “tyranny,” let alone “terrorism.” He resists any comparison with today’s tormenting confrontations."

Until the conclusion of the War of Independence, American shipping had been protected by the British (prior to) and the French (during). After the conclusion of the revolution, American shipping became fair game just as other countries were subject to.

Whether the ambassador's comments were a true reflection of the purpose or an attempt to dissemble is a subject of debate. Since there are over two hundred years of history between then and now, I fail to see any relevance between the actions of Barbary pirates (pecuniary gain) and now (I presume you are referring to Muslim outrage over the cheap, poorly made film obviously designed to elicit such reacion).

I do not believe our nation's first war was with Islam. It was against pirates, acting under the auspices of the Turkish empire. Religion may have been a convenient excuse for one ambassador to offer to another. But, in my opinion, money was the name of the game. Just as with Somalia pirates today. They may be Muslim, but they're just thieves.

Passinthru commented on Saturday, Sep 22, 2012 at 19:10 PM

I am no student of early Continental wars and therefore have no comment on the blog in general, but I was struck by Bryant’s editorial note “I presume you are referring to Muslim outrage over the cheap, poorly made film obviously designed to elicit such reacion” (sic).

Some thoughts on this: The filmmaker is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a Coptic Christian American. Not surprisingly he wanted to retaliate somehow against the Islamics who have killed and injured so many of his brethren in Egypt.

In one incident, on October 9 2011, Islamic police killed at least two dozen Copts and wounded more than a hundred who were peacefully demonstrating against the attack and destruction of their church. There has been no outrage or even serious recognition of this from our government. Human Rights Watch has been calling for an investigation, but neither the government nor the international community has shown much interest.

However the Government is so outraged by the criticism of Islam in an amateur movie that Secretary of State Clinton stated “To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose: to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage” No mention of the murders committed by the “great religion” against Christians, who she must believe, belong to a lesser religion.

The criticism of the people of Sharia also shocked Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, who described it as ”.... a very hateful very offensive video that has offended many people around the world” Obviously our official vindicators of Islam consider criticism more hateful and offensive than the killing of Christian protesters.

A single brave Christian has made a video that denigrates the people that murdered his fellow Christians. At the same time he has demonstrated how easy it is to trigger the cynical organized bawling of the religion of eternal outrage. I think he deserves a medal for reminding the civilized world of the true intent of Islam... and the disgraceful capitulation of our government to their bullying tactics.

theflyonthewall commented on Tuesday, Sep 25, 2012 at 19:54 PM

Passinthru,
Nakoula Bassesley Nakoula may be a Christian ,but he most certainly is not a practicing Christian given his long rap sheet.Let's not revisit the religious wars of the past or some of our recent neocon misadventures.

Bryant commented on Wednesday, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Passinthru, so what is "...the true intent of Islam."?


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